Wednesday, November 14, 2012

What the 2012 secessionist movement means

This is IMHO ( in my humble opinion).  I just read the following: 

White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation
Posted By David Martosko On 2:01 AM 11/14/2012 @ 2:01 AM In DC Exclusives,DC Exclusives - Original Reporting,Featured,Politics,US,Yahoo! Linkbox | No Comments
Less than a week after a New Orleans suburbanite petitioned the White House to allow Louisiana to secede from the United States, petitions from seven states have collected enough signatures to trigger a promised review from the Obama administration.
By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on 69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a Daily Caller analysis of requests lodged with the White House’s “We the People” online petition system.
A petition from Vermont, where talk of secession is a regular feature of political life, was the final entry.
Petitions from Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North CarolinaTennessee and Texas residents have accrued at least 25,000 signatures, the number the Obama administration says it will reward with a staff review of online proposals. (RELATED: Will Texas secede? Petition triggers White House review)
The Texas petition leads all others by a wide margin. Shortly before 9:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, it had attracted 94,700 signatures. But a spokesperson for Gov. Rick Perry said Tuesday afternoon that he does not support the idea of his state striking out on its own.
“Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government,” according to a statement from the governor’s office.
A backlash Monday night saw requests filed with the White House to strip citizenship rights from Americans who signed petitions to help states secede. (RELATED: Anti-secession forces fight back with White House deportation petitions)
And in a similar nose-thumbing aimed at Texas’ conservative majority, progressives from the liberal state capital of Austin responded Monday with a petition to secede from their state if Texas as a whole should decide to leave the Union.
Late Tuesday a second group of Texans, this one from Houston, lodged their own White House petition. Secession-minded Texans, they wrote, “are mentally deficient and [we] do not want them representing us. We would like more education in our state to eradicate their disease.”
Houstonian “Kimberly F” — The White House does not provide last names — submitted the petition. She told TheDC in an email that ”[w]e need both sides presented, or we all look like a bunch of fools.”
A group from El Paso, too, wants no part of an independent Texas. “Allow the city of El Paso to secede from the state of Texas,” their petition reads. “El Paso is tired of being a second class city within Texas.”
But smaller petitions like theirs are a political side show of a political side show. One effort, aimed at Missourians, called for a nationwide catered pizza party to celebrate when the Show Me State left the U.S. (RELATED: Pizza party! White House petition silliness gets cheesy)
States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold include Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Fourteen states are represented by at least two competing petitions. The extra efforts from two states — Missouri and South Carolina — would add enough petitions to warrant reviews by the Obama administration if they were combined into petitions launched earlier.
Other states with multiple efforts include Alaska, California, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin.
The White House provides a 30-day window of time for petitions to reach 25,000 signatures.
Web surfers must register their names online with the White House before launching or signing a petition, but it’s not clear if the 675,000 signatures represent the same number of individuals, since the website permits signers to add their names to multiple petitions.
Individual petition signers, however, may only add their names once to any proposal.
The Daily Caller emailed White House deputy press secretary Joshua Earnest for comment, asking if the Obama administration was taking the grassroots effort seriously.
“Does the President see this as a bunch of Gov. Romney’s supporters blowing off steam after the election?” TheDC asked. “As an earnest show of disaffection with the direction of the country? As something else?”
Earnest did not respond.
The most recent petition to attract at least 150 signatures — the threshold required before the White House adds a petition to its searchable database — suggests a way out, even if a state or two were to take the secession talk seriously.
A Darlington, South Carolina man proposed Tuesday that the Obama administration ”allow the states that have asked to secede to do so and form their own NEW nation together.”
That effort only has 24,000 more signatures to collect before it could find its way into the West Wing.

  *  Well dear reader, if you read all of that, or do so at your leisure.  Here's what it's about, half of them are just mad at the results of the Presidential election and this is they way of lashing out/venting/making noises, fair enough.   A fourth of them I believe are in-between, they're lashing out yet seriously contemplating such an event.  The last fourth are serious.  They want out, they want to form their own Nation void of all of Washington DC's control.  How they do it, unknown, probably even to them, but they are serious about it, so don't take them lightly.  As for the counter secessionist movement, they want to strip the signers citizenship for using their Constitutional Right to Free Speech, those people are dangerous. Those are the kind of people that end up forming governments like Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Pol Pots Cambodia where the is zero tolerance for anyone that goes against their ideals.
    Let's take a look at some scenarios.  First one, good scenario:  This secessionist movement wakes up the Nation to the fact that there is huge problems of division across this Nation at all socioeconomic levels.  This begins an open and honest discussion that brings this Nation back together.
   Second one, okay scenario:  this finally creates a large third political party to challenge the Republicans and Democrats, of a party that adheres strictly to freedom and individuality v big business capitalism and socialist ideals respectively. 
    Third one, not great nor bad scenario:   States do secede and form their own individual or block of Nations and both systems peacefully coexist alongside each other, but at some cost to many on both sides as the economies will struggle severely.
     Fourth one, bad scenario:   States secede and form their own Nation(s), some will prosper and others will fail causing huge civil unrest and possible continental conflict, i.e. civil war, border conflicts, refugee flooding. 
     Fifth one, worst case scenario:   States secede, civil war breaks out during the process, China and possibly Mexico invade to land/resource grab.  UN/EU, you know and I know will not lift a finger to help.  The United States will then totally cease to exist. 
     So there it is dear reader.  As Lincoln and the Christian Bible says, a house divided can not stand.  So we have limited time to repair things before one through five happen.

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